Monk mirror image wields axe and bow? - Guild Wars Forums

OvertheHill · May 24, 2005, 01:22 AM // 01:22

Why does monk mirror image wield axe and bow?

It's one thing to make a task challenging. It's another to warp the ArenaNet system of characters and combat to do make a task nearly impossible.

I run a healing monk. Imagine my surprise to find the "mirror image" of my all Divine/Healing Monk was an battleaxe/longbow wielding berzerker who looks like "Venom" and also happens to who cast all my holy spells as well as I do.

If you take a look in the player areas, you will find you already have a dreadfully tough time getting people to play monk characters. Getting them to play healer monks is even more difficult. Putting a razor-wire covered barrier surrounded by mines immediately before Ascension for charaters like mine who are willing to run around diving and dodging playing a non-combat role in a combat-oriented game is completely counter-intuitive. If you want to make sure you have nothing but Warrior/Monks running around in your Post-Ascension areas, keep doing silly things like giving huge advantages to heavily-armed characters in your content.

So... are you going to fix this quickly, or should we all quit trying to play anything but Warrior/Monks?

Roken · May 24, 2005, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by OvertheHill

Why does monk mirror image wield axe and bow?

It's one thing to make a task challenging. It's another to warp the ArenaNet system of characters and combat to do make a task nearly impossible.

I run a healing monk. Imagine my surprise to find the "mirror image" of my all Divine/Healing Monk was an battleaxe/longbow wielding berzerker who looks like "Venom" and also happens to who cast all my holy spells as well as I do.

If you take a look in the player areas, you will find you already have a dreadfully tough time getting people to play monk characters. Getting them to play healer monks is even more difficult. Putting a razor-wire covered barrier surrounded by mines immediately before Ascension for charaters like mine who are willing to run around diving and dodging playing a non-combat role in a combat-oriented game is completely counter-intuitive. If you want to make sure you have nothing but Warrior/Monks running around in your Post-Ascension areas, keep doing silly things like giving huge advantages to heavily-armed characters in your content.

So... are you going to fix this quickly, or should we all quit trying to play anything but Warrior/Monks?

I believed they mapped out the Monk profession quite well. Never in a game I have played has a monk been able to do so much damage instead of just sit back and just cast a tick heal every now and then. A smite/healing monk is probably one of the funnest characters you can play, in my opinion. You can heal and do pretty nice ammount of damage to contribute to the party damage output. I do believe every class has spells to heal themselves, however, its not a direct heal like monks. If you want your character to be self-sufficient like a W/Mo, quit complaining and find a new build.

I was partied with a Mo/something (I think Elementalist) in a PvP match, once. After everyone in our party died, he says in group chat "Watch this, Ill show you a true Smiting monk". He took off running to build up power, and then when they all surrounded him, he took out 3 out of the 4 of them before they were able to take him out, and the last person alive had half of his life.

Monks can be one of the deadliest characters in the game.

Duality · May 24, 2005, 01:44 AM // 01:44

I managed to beat my mirror using my healing monk. It's difficult, but certainly possible.

re: that smiting monk, sounds like zealot's fire was employed.

OvertheHill · May 24, 2005, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by Roken

I believed they mapped out the Monk profession quite well. Never in a game I have played has a monk been able to do so much damage instead of just sit back and just cast a tick heal every now and then. A smite/healing monk is probably one of the funnest characters you can play, in my opinion. You can heal and do pretty nice ammount of damage to contribute to the party damage output. I do believe every class has spells to heal themselves, however, its not a direct heal like monks. If you want your character to be self-sufficient like a W/Mo, quit complaining and find a new build.

I was partied with a Mo/something (I think Elementalist) in a PvP match, once. After everyone in our party died, he says in group chat "Watch this, Ill show you a true Smiting monk". He took off running to build up power, and then when they all surrounded him, he took out 3 out of the 4 of them before they were able to take him out, and the last person alive had half of his life.

Monks can be one of the deadliest characters in the game.

I didn't see a word about a "Defeat Venom" quest. This is the defeat "mirror-image" quest. If you can show me a single monk character played by a single ArenaNet/NCSoft customer that is capable of wielding a bow or axe, I'll withdraw the point....

...humdeedumdeedum...

...still waiting...

Gee... you can't, can you? Why... because there are no monks that can wield axes or bows.

Also... I do not run a smite monk. I run a healing monk. I've been told I have that option. I've been told by a whole lot of game promotional material that I'm supposed to be able to run a healing-focused monk. Let my "mirror-image" be forced to come out with the same whimpy holy wand I'm stuck with.

NotoriousEvil · May 24, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58

While that part was fun, he is correct in stating this. A mirror image is supposed to be you exactly. I know I don't have a bow, but my e/me mirror image did. All the spells he did to me did significantly more than the ones I did to him. I know that it's just to make things more challenging, but then perhaps call it something else besides a mirror image.

Eclair · May 24, 2005, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Yes, but all that is for balance. You see, you have brain, your mirror image does not. Thus, in order to make the competition fair, they have to buff the mirror a bit =P. So change your build around a bit to beat it. Changing your build is a big part of this game, and later on you'll probably be doing that a lot in the last missions/underworld/fissure/pvp

RHR · May 24, 2005, 02:08 AM // 02:08

I am having a difficult time "Overthehill," trying to figure out, if when you say you are a healing monk, you mean you didn't accept any of the protection or smiting skills of the Monk profession, and also didn't take a second profession?

If, in fact, that is the case, you might want to rethink your character. You are saying that only warrior monks (W/MO) could fair well against the mirror image that you faced. But, what about a Monk/Warrior, Monk/Elementalist, Monk/Necromancer, or Monk/Mesmer.

You certainly, were given multiple, (and have many future opportunities) to take a second profession, and even change your second profession. Are you not blaming the Devs for the inadequacy of your own earlier decisions, which you have the fullest capability of taking compensurate steps to change?

Maegi · May 24, 2005, 03:05 AM // 03:05

I posted how a monk/anything can beat his mirror.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ghlight=mirror
It does involve changing your attrib to smite and divine favor, which you should already have as a healing monk, so the only change would be adding to smite.
Thats how you can beat it. If you're saying you're too stubborn to try a different build to beat one facet of the game and then chnge right back to straight up healer, then I'm sorry, I can't help you dude.

Duality · May 24, 2005, 03:10 AM // 03:10

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Originally Posted by OvertheHill

I didn't see a word about a "Defeat Venom" quest. This is the defeat "mirror-image" quest. If you can show me a single monk character played by a single ArenaNet/NCSoft customer that is capable of wielding a bow or axe, I'll withdraw the point....

...humdeedumdeedum...

...still waiting...

Gee... you can't, can you? Why... because there are no monks that can wield axes or bows.

the hell they can't. it's called a secondary profession.

Aaaaagh · May 24, 2005, 03:13 AM // 03:13

There are numerous other threads regarding this exact same topic. I would post them here for you, but since you couldnt do the search in the first place, I wont.

Ninna · May 24, 2005, 04:33 AM // 04:33

I beat the mirror as mo/me

I dont have any points in smite skills

was only specced in Healing/Divine and Inspiration
(didnt bring my mesmer skills with me)

I used only my wand, Balthazar's Sprit and Divine Boon

Acolyte · May 24, 2005, 04:41 AM // 04:41

i did the same as Ninna, athough im a mo/n... you have to be CREATIVE thats the #1 thing about this game.. you have hundreds of skills... learn them all if you cant, not just ones that fit exactly what your "set" character will do... there will be plenty of times when you need to change things around, such as with the mirrior image.. being a healing monk you brought along alot of healing spells, consequently, he uses them better.. and yet all you can do is complain like a baby.. if you can not be botherd to a) search for references to this topic b) effectively change skills according to the situation or c) play this game without giving a crap fit and complain to everyone like a baby, please do everyone a favor and delete the game, along with every other one you own, go sit yourself in a corner and cry about it.

Roken · May 24, 2005, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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Originally Posted by RHR

I am having a difficult time "Overthehill," trying to figure out, if when you say you are a healing monk, you mean you didn't accept any of the protection or smiting skills of the Monk profession, and also didn't take a second profession?

If, in fact, that is the case, you might want to rethink your character. You are saying that only warrior monks (W/MO) could fair well against the mirror image that you faced. But, what about a Monk/Warrior, Monk/Elementalist, Monk/Necromancer, or Monk/Mesmer.

You certainly, were given multiple, (and have many future opportunities) to take a second profession, and even change your second profession. Are you not blaming the Devs for the inadequacy of your own earlier decisions, which you have the fullest capability of taking compensurate steps to change?

Couldnt have said it better myself.

Slade xTekno · May 24, 2005, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by OvertheHill

...humdeedumdeedum...

...still waiting...

Gee... you can't, can you? Why... because there are no monks that can wield axes or bows.

Wow, way to rack up epoints.

Have you honestly been only using a Holy Rods the whole game? If you haven't though far enough outside the box to try other weapons on your char, I doubt you have the ablity to devise a way to beat your Mirror Image.

Others have done it. I plan to do it with me E/Mo like they did.

OvertheHill · May 24, 2005, 06:30 AM // 06:30

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Originally Posted by Duality

the hell they can't. it's called a secondary profession.

They can't if they don't have the proper secondary profession, huh?

What part of the phrase "mirror image" do you not understand?

If someone has a warrior secondary, they are using warrior skills to used an axe. If they have ranger secondary, they are using ranger skills to use a bow.

NOBODY uses monk skills to use either a axe or a bow. NO MONK could ever use BOTH no matter what their secondary is. The mirror image uses both effectively. I try to use a sword or bow... I hit for the infamous "3."

A MIRROR IMAGE of my character would also hit for 3 with an axe or bow.

OvertheHill · May 24, 2005, 06:39 AM // 06:39

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Originally Posted by RHR

I am having a difficult time "Overthehill," trying to figure out, if when you say you are a healing monk, you mean you didn't accept any of the protection or smiting skills of the Monk profession, and also didn't take a second profession?

If, in fact, that is the case, you might want to rethink your character. You are saying that only warrior monks (W/MO) could fair well against the mirror image that you faced. But, what about a Monk/Warrior, Monk/Elementalist, Monk/Necromancer, or Monk/Mesmer.

You certainly, were given multiple, (and have many future opportunities) to take a second profession, and even change your second profession. Are you not blaming the Devs for the inadequacy of your own earlier decisions, which you have the fullest capability of taking compensurate steps to change?

I designed a character an MMORPG for TEAM play in a GUILD in PvE and PvP in a game called GUILD WARS. I did not design a solo character to play a MORTAL COMBAT video game with no team interaction.

My character was designed just fine for the game we are supposed to be playing. Nobody told me that after doing pretty well in the ascension missions I would run into a concrete wall that has all the multi-player charm of your average PACMAN machine.

OvertheHill · May 24, 2005, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Originally Posted by Slade xTekno

Wow, way to rack up epoints.

Have you honestly been only using a Holy Rods the whole game? If you haven't though far enough outside the box to try other weapons on your char, I doubt you have the ablity to devise a way to beat your Mirror Image.

Others have done it. I plan to do it with me E/Mo like they did.

There's lot's of weapon choices for people who want to play Monks that are not counted on to be healers. If you want your friends to be able to count on your heals being worth a crud, you specialize in healing, which is what I did.

You must play one of those "charming fellows" that spams the missions cities "monk LFG 4 mission"... then once the mission starts, you charge straight into combat AND THEN tell everyone in the group you aren't a healer monk after there's a pile of dead bodies that were expecting heals that you were too busy swing a sword to bother doing.

Fighting monks are fine IF you tell everyone BEFORE you group that you don't pay attention to healing.

Yojinj · May 24, 2005, 06:54 AM // 06:54

The mirror is for many people one big problem. One of the main reasons is the Axe and the Bow the mirror uses.
The thing is not a mirror at all except for skills and ?maybe? energy/hitpoints/armor.

The mirror is not casual gamer friendly, sometimes you read guides of mirror battles that look like a war report o.O. "i did this spell and then that skill and then i used this and that weapon combo etc".

OvertheHill · May 24, 2005, 07:05 AM // 07:05

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Originally Posted by Acolyte

i did the same as Ninna, athough im a mo/n... you have to be CREATIVE thats the #1 thing about this game.. you have hundreds of skills... learn them all if you cant, not just ones that fit exactly what your "set" character will do... there will be plenty of times when you need to change things around, such as with the mirrior image.. being a healing monk you brought along alot of healing spells, consequently, he uses them better.. and yet all you can do is complain like a baby.. if you can not be botherd to a) search for references to this topic b) effectively change skills according to the situation or c) play this game without giving a crap fit and complain to everyone like a baby, please do everyone a favor and delete the game, along with every other one you own, go sit yourself in a corner and cry about it.

The "mirror" is hitting me for 65-80 damage with both a bow and ax when I average 15-20 with a top staff. That's not a minor little discrepancy. That 3 to 4 times the damage I do with a weapon + having the same spells.

Some of the most hardcore gamers around, that have been addicted to MMORPGS for years that are running Monks are requiring 2-3 days to get through this one fight. That's not a challenge. That's a a brick wall. When John Q. Public hits that brickwall with no aid from friends available for days because of the silliness of making the brick wall a solo play brick wall, Old John's gonna switch games and not buy the next expansion.

pHobac · May 24, 2005, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Well its hard to give you advice about beating your mirror when you haven't told anyone what your secondary is. You dont need to be a warrior to beat your mirror, you dont even need to have attack skills. My roommate plays a pure healing monk/mes and he took his mirror in under an hour without taking a single direct damage skill.

You just have to know that your mirror will do more damage than you, no matter what class you are, and I know they do because I've seen it done with warriors and rangers, and the skills that you may have with an axe or bow, will only make their damage even higher.

The important thing to remember about your mirror is that their AI was written by a drunken chimpanzee, they are not bright. My roommate killed his by casting empathy over and over again and running around kiting while the mirror slowly died.

Every class has a number of ways to beat your mirror, and if you dont want to do it with monk skills, do it with your secondary skills. And if you dont have a secondary, then, umm..... I got nothing, that would just be stupid.

May 24, 2005, 02:08 AM // 02:08	#7
RHR Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bremerton, WA Guild: FMS Profession: W/N	Healing Monk I am having a difficult time "Overthehill," trying to figure out, if when you say you are a healing monk, you mean you didn't accept any of the protection or smiting skills of the Monk profession, and also didn't take a second profession? If, in fact, that is the case, you might want to rethink your character. You are saying that only warrior monks (W/MO) could fair well against the mirror image that you faced. But, what about a Monk/Warrior, Monk/Elementalist, Monk/Necromancer, or Monk/Mesmer. You certainly, were given multiple, (and have many future opportunities) to take a second profession, and even change your second profession. Are you not blaming the Devs for the inadequacy of your own earlier decisions, which you have the fullest capability of taking compensurate steps to change?

May 24, 2005, 01:22 AM // 01:22	#1
OvertheHill Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	Monk mirror image wields axe and bow? Why does monk mirror image wield axe and bow? It's one thing to make a task challenging. It's another to warp the ArenaNet system of characters and combat to do make a task nearly impossible. I run a healing monk. Imagine my surprise to find the "mirror image" of my all Divine/Healing Monk was an battleaxe/longbow wielding berzerker who looks like "Venom" and also happens to who cast all my holy spells as well as I do. If you take a look in the player areas, you will find you already have a dreadfully tough time getting people to play monk characters. Getting them to play healer monks is even more difficult. Putting a razor-wire covered barrier surrounded by mines immediately before Ascension for charaters like mine who are willing to run around diving and dodging playing a non-combat role in a combat-oriented game is completely counter-intuitive. If you want to make sure you have nothing but Warrior/Monks running around in your Post-Ascension areas, keep doing silly things like giving huge advantages to heavily-armed characters in your content. So... are you going to fix this quickly, or should we all quit trying to play anything but Warrior/Monks?

May 24, 2005, 01:44 AM // 01:44	#3
Duality Ub3r Pro0fr34d3r Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Guild: Girl Power	I managed to beat my mirror using my healing monk. It's difficult, but certainly possible. re: that smiting monk, sounds like zealot's fire was employed.

May 24, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58	#5
NotoriousEvil Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2005	While that part was fun, he is correct in stating this. A mirror image is supposed to be you exactly. I know I don't have a bow, but my e/me mirror image did. All the spells he did to me did significantly more than the ones I did to him. I know that it's just to make things more challenging, but then perhaps call it something else besides a mirror image.

May 24, 2005, 02:04 AM // 02:04	#6
Eclair Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005	Yes, but all that is for balance. You see, you have brain, your mirror image does not. Thus, in order to make the competition fair, they have to buff the mirror a bit =P. So change your build around a bit to beat it. Changing your build is a big part of this game, and later on you'll probably be doing that a lot in the last missions/underworld/fissure/pvp

May 24, 2005, 03:05 AM // 03:05	#8
Maegi Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Game Dog Radio	I posted how a monk/anything can beat his mirror. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ghlight=mirror It does involve changing your attrib to smite and divine favor, which you should already have as a healing monk, so the only change would be adding to smite. Thats how you can beat it. If you're saying you're too stubborn to try a different build to beat one facet of the game and then chnge right back to straight up healer, then I'm sorry, I can't help you dude.

May 24, 2005, 03:13 AM // 03:13	#10
Aaaaagh Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005	There are numerous other threads regarding this exact same topic. I would post them here for you, but since you couldnt do the search in the first place, I wont.

May 24, 2005, 04:33 AM // 04:33	#11
Ninna Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northeast USA Guild: Guilded Rose Profession: Me/	I beat the mirror as mo/me I dont have any points in smite skills was only specced in Healing/Divine and Inspiration (didnt bring my mesmer skills with me) I used only my wand, Balthazar's Sprit and Divine Boon

May 24, 2005, 04:41 AM // 04:41	#12
Acolyte Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	i did the same as Ninna, athough im a mo/n... you have to be CREATIVE thats the #1 thing about this game.. you have hundreds of skills... learn them all if you cant, not just ones that fit exactly what your "set" character will do... there will be plenty of times when you need to change things around, such as with the mirrior image.. being a healing monk you brought along alot of healing spells, consequently, he uses them better.. and yet all you can do is complain like a baby.. if you can not be botherd to a) search for references to this topic b) effectively change skills according to the situation or c) play this game without giving a crap fit and complain to everyone like a baby, please do everyone a favor and delete the game, along with every other one you own, go sit yourself in a corner and cry about it.

May 24, 2005, 06:54 AM // 06:54	#18
Yojinj Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Guild: None at the moment Profession: N/Mo	The mirror is for many people one big problem. One of the main reasons is the Axe and the Bow the mirror uses. The thing is not a mirror at all except for skills and ?maybe? energy/hitpoints/armor. The mirror is not casual gamer friendly, sometimes you read guides of mirror battles that look like a war report o.O. "i did this spell and then that skill and then i used this and that weapon combo etc".

May 24, 2005, 07:34 AM // 07:34	#20
pHobac Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Guild: Ostentanious Cows [OC] Profession: N/Mo	Well its hard to give you advice about beating your mirror when you haven't told anyone what your secondary is. You dont need to be a warrior to beat your mirror, you dont even need to have attack skills. My roommate plays a pure healing monk/mes and he took his mirror in under an hour without taking a single direct damage skill. You just have to know that your mirror will do more damage than you, no matter what class you are, and I know they do because I've seen it done with warriors and rangers, and the skills that you may have with an axe or bow, will only make their damage even higher. The important thing to remember about your mirror is that their AI was written by a drunken chimpanzee, they are not bright. My roommate killed his by casting empathy over and over again and running around kiting while the mirror slowly died. Every class has a number of ways to beat your mirror, and if you dont want to do it with monk skills, do it with your secondary skills. And if you dont have a secondary, then, umm..... I got nothing, that would just be stupid.